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Don’t Try To Build The House While It’s Burning – with Justin Thomas

By January 13, 2022April 22nd, 2022Ministry & Leadership, Podcasts2 min read

2020 seemed to tear everything apart. The normal structures of our lives, our work, and our relationships seems to have fallen completely apart.

For many of us, this has created a sense of loss. The things we trusted in let us down and now we don’t fully know where to turn. We’re not sure what we can or should trust in anymore.

For others, this has led to a strong desire to rebuild. Rather than wallow in the sadness of loss, we want to simply put our heads down and remake the world we feel we’ve lost.

In this episode, Justin Thomas, Pastor at Calvary: The Hill, lays out a different option. Rather than just trying to rebuild what we had, we need to let the chaos of the last 18 months teach us important lessons. Were we approaching church and faith and discipleship the way we should have? Are we sure our old structures were the right structures? What if God is giving us an opportunity to rebuild so we can do better this time?

Aaron and Brian talk with Justin about all this and much more as they try to think through what a church would need to look like to be 2020-proof, able to withstand the division and hostility our cultural moment thrives on.

We’re so glad you could join us for this conversation.

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Aaron Salvato is the founder GoodLion Ministries & the GoodLion Podcast Network, and also serves as CGN’s Content Strategy Director. He and his wife Brooklynn currently serve Jesus in Oklahoma.

Brian is the co-founder of the GoodLion Podcast Network. He has been in pastoral ministry since 2012.